what are the substances that were there. but what else might the lab in quantico be able to tell investigators that will be useful? >> great question. first thing, isolate and contain the threat. there's no rush. the second thing is to preserve the evidence and lastly to analyze it, because that would come up for use in trial. and that's what these technicians over at quantico are doing. i had the pleasure of working with professionals from quantico. they are at the highest level of competency and they are going to pain stakingly look at everything that's sent to them. it also has to be sent through a chain so that the integrity of the evidence is preserved. so they're going to be doing pain staking analysis on everything that comes out of that apartment. but the first thing is to isolate and contain that threat. as long as it takes, they're going to do it. i think the response by law enforcement in aurora was

nothing short of textbook, from the immediate response to the shooting, to the isolation of the threat at the apartment. it really could not have been done better. >> we're also learning that they've been able to trace a lot of the materials that he used, both at his apartment and here at the theater behind me, and they talked about the numerous commercial deliveries that were made, both to his home and place of work. i would imagine they have already figured out exactly where they came from and they're able to get into his computer and track some of his searches, see how he was able to figure this out. tell us what else you took away from what the investigators told us about these substances that he was ordering online. >> right. there's going to be analysis of the information on the computer and that is going to be used the corroborate the items that they've taken from the

apartment. unfortunately, it's not just things that you would think are explosives, but other things that are used in the commercial and cosmetic industry that are readily available which instrucks them how to weaponize these types of items are found on the internet. >> i found it interesting that they told us what they were able to eliminate, that it's just a few miles down the road here. we see the signs for the university where he was a graduate student until recently. they wanted to check were there any biohazards, could he have taken something and they've been able to say now that he didn't. but all of this, as you said, it's important for them to be able to take this into court, to know that there was a chain of custody. and they're very careful about what they tell the media. they know the high level of interest. where do investigators draw the

line and how difficult is it to draw the line to letting members of the community know where their investigation is going, what they've learned, and not in any way compromising the investigation as they're looking forward to that prosecution. >> fantastic point. the first thing they have to do is say that they have the situation under control. they understand that this person is a loner, and that any items that may be a threat to the community are isolated and contained. i think they did a beautiful job. beyond that, there's an additional issue with regard to how much information, which the public does have a legitimate interest in knowing, should be released, versus what should be protected for the preservation of a prosecution in the criminal trial. by the same token, they also don't want to introduce possible evidence that should harm the defense and ruin a case by the prosecution. so basically in this kind of

instance, silence is a friend that won't betray them. >> professor brian levin, your insights and knowledge have been invaluable in help us sort through what is still a very confusing situation. but i thank you for spending so much time with us today. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thank you. we also heard from the governor at that news conference, john hickenlooper, who talked about the fact that there is some sense of relief that it wasn't worst. but he said there's no way we can turn the clock back and take this inconceivable event back. we have to look and see how we can use this to make things better. that's a question a lot of people have. can some good some out of what has happened here? we've already seep it in the way

the community responded and you've heard that in the news conference, as well. but it brings up the question of gun violence in this country. i want to bring in a representative from the brady campaign to prevent gun violence, brian multe. thank you for standing by. i know you've been waiting. i just want to get your reaction to what the governor had to say, that whether they're governors or presidential candidates, obviously we all feel terrible about this tragedy that has happened. we said the same thing after columbine. we said it after littleton. we said it after gabby giffords was shot. do you have any expectation after what happened here anything will change in terms of the laws in this country? >> absolutely. a lot of people think we have all the laws on the books, laws

that will prevent this stuff. we need those laws and when people find out we don't have them, they say let's have them. we need to engage the american public. if the public had enough of this, they need to come join our fight, join our army and we're encouraging everybody to join us at facebook.com/bradycampaign. we need the american public to call, e-mail and let people know enough is enough. >> you know, i appreciate what you're saying and yet i also have talked to so many people, especially in this area, who say virtually nothing has changed since the young people at columbine high school lost their lives. since you're the director of legislation for the brady campaign, let me ask you to look through a lens that's realistic and understand that we are in a highly volatile and divided

political state and that there are frankly a lot of people in this country, and the polls show it, who believe in the right to be able to keep guns. give me an example or two of what you think is realistic about legislation moving forward, what is possible to do, do you think? >> first of all, it's all possible to do. if you poll the american public on any of our policy priorities, over 2/3 of people agree on what we want. they should ban assault rifles, high capacity magazines, making sure there's a background check on every gun sale. you get 75%, including a majority of gun owners. it's time that president obama steps up to the plate and time that we had solutions. if people join us and join our army, we can get that -- get those people and make a big difference. >> brian malte, thank you for

taking the time to talk to us today. we appreciate it. 12 people killed in the theater behind me. we just within the last couple of minutes have gotten the identity of the ninth victim. again, there's been no official list that's been put out, but many of the families have let the media know. they want those names out there. they want people to know that there are faces and lives behind this tragedy. the ninth victim is being identified as a.j.boyk. his family says he was a loving 18-year-old who graduated from high school this year. he was accepted into the rocky mountain college of art and design and planned to start classes in the fall. his dream was to become an art teacher and to open his own studio. they say that he was involved in a relationship, that he was dating someone, and they say we are blessed that she survived this incident. so obviously he was at the batman movie with his girlfriend.

we want to try and focus, his family wrote in a statement that they just released, on the beautiful lives that were ended and not the evil that is responsible. during this difficult time, we ask that our family's privacy be respected. our thoughts, prayers and love go out to the other families of the victims and all those who have been touched by this senseless tragedy. and so, again, the ninth victim has been identified. the vast majority of these victims are either teenagers or in their 20s. two members of the military, and one 6-year-old girl who is fighting for her life. we're going to go into "dateline," which is going to continue its coverage and we'll have a 6:00 p.m. news conference. who are you, really?

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the death toll stands at 12. we don't know much about the victims, but we do know about one young woman, the kind of person a movie fan you might expect to see at a midnight screening of a batman movie. incredibly, this had not been her first encounter with a gunman. here's kate snow. >> reporter: her name was jessica ghawi and he called herself a texan spit fire. >> i can interview if you want to. >> i think i'm going to host the interview. >> reporter: friends say if you

had to know one thing about jessica, she loved hockey and sports writing. she wanted to make it as a sports caster. peter burns was a friend and mentor. >> you talk to anybody here on the sports scene that knew her, it was an infectious attitude that she had that everyone loved. >> so friday y'all are playing the texas stars. >> reporter: this is an interview she did on the ice in her hometown of san antonio, texas. >> she's not two seconds on the ice and she falls flat on her rear. >> reporter: and she clearly loved to laugh, even when it was on her. >> can we please sit? >> reporter: last night, she persuaded an old buddy to go to the movies and tweeted about that under her work name, jessica redfield. he joked about convincing her friend to go, people should never argue with me. and then another tweet from the theater. movie doesn't start for 20 minutes. that was the last thing she ever tweeted. it went to her friend, jessie

specter. >> i like to think of her as being just so excited to go see the movie and as excited as she was about doing everything else that she did. >> reporter: jessica's family heard the awful news in the middle of the night. >> it started with a phone call early morning in san antonio, texas, from my mother. >> reporter: jessica's brother, jordan, is a firefighter in san antonio. >> i could decipher my sister had been injured, more specifically shot. >> reporter: he found out what happened from jessica's friend who was in the theater with her and survived. >> i knew fairly soon that it appeared my sister sustained a fatal injury. >> reporter: her friend told them that all hell broke loose. jessica was shot in the leg. >> remained calm and took care of my sister when she was hit in the leg. >> reporter: he suddenly realized that she was no longer

screaming. she had been hit in the head. >> after he realized my sister appear to sustained a fatal shot, he attempted to save his own life by exiting the building. but he stayed with my sister to the end. >> reporter: remarkably just weeks ago, jessica cheated death in another shooting in toronto, canada, visiting her boyfriend when a gunman opened fire in the food court at a busy shopping mall. jessica had been stand thing only minutes before. >> what are the odds that you're in one of those incidents once in your life? let alone twice within a two-month span? >> reporter: news of jessica ghawi's death was all over the internet today and the memories of a smart and sassy young woman poured in. >> she had that little twinkle in her eye like yeah, i'm a lot of fun but you don't want to mess around here. >> reporter: this from another friend, she was a redhead through and through, a ball of energy and fire. but the most haunting words came

from jessica herself, in a blog about the shopping mall shooting in toronto, she wrote, i say all the time that every moment we have to live our life is a blessing. so off i've found myself taking it for grant it. every hug from a family member, every laugh we share with friends. in that same blog, she wrote this -- we don't know when or where our time on earth will end. when or where we will breathe our last breath. jessica ghawi was 24 years old. full of life and laughter. >> she sounds like a great and talented girl, kate. and there were others. >> so many. so much senseless loss here. what we do know is there was another group of five navy sailors who were here last night, a bunch of buddies that came in from their base, buckley air force base here in aurora. three of them were okay and walked out. one was injured and treated on

the scene, but the last of them has not been found yet and they don't have any word on him yet. the last time we checked, i called his father, that man's father and he said he was waiting for a call from the pentagon. it is presumed he's probably among thedeceased. >> as i mentioned, this kind of movie at this hour would seem to draw so many young people. what do we know about the ages? >> a lot of young people and surprisingly, maybe some families, too. people brought their small children. at least one children's hospital of colorado said their youngest victim was 6 years old that they treated, 6 to age 31 was the change range of their victims. we don't know a lot about these victims because they're still going through the process. woe just learned from the aurora police that as late as this afternoon they were still talking to families and friends and trying to sort out identities. >> this place's heart has been

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it's the question people are asking tonight, why would anyone open fire in a crowded theater? tonight, a more complete picture of james holmes is beginning to emerge. here's chris hansen. >> reporter: a reporter says when they got ahold of james

holmes' mother this morning, the first thing she said was, you have the right person. what did she american -- mean by that? >> 24-year-old suspect is now in police custody. >> reporter: and we soon learned how he appeared to the terrified people in that theater. >> he's about six foot tall, 6'3", about 185 pounds, 200 pounds, very muscular and just scary. >> reporter: but details about 24-year-old james eagan holmes began to surface quickly. law enforcement officials say holmes had his hair dyed red or orange and said he was the joker, the villain played by heath ledger in "the dark knight." would he have been role playing a scene out of that batman movie? >> good evening, ladies and gentlemen. we are tonight's entertainment. >> reporter: we don't know what

holmes' motive may have been. but we know one thing, this massacre was well planned. aurora police chief dan oates said holmes came ready for action. >> the suspect was dressed all in black. he was wearing a ballistic helmet. a tactical ballistic vest. ballistic leggings. a throat protecter and a groin protecter and a gas mask. and black tactical gloves. >> reporter: law enforcement sources says he bought a ticket and went into the theater. soon after he propped an exit door open and went outside. he then put on his body armor and went back in firing. but who is this man whose only brush with the law was a speeding ticket? for one thing, he appears to be different than most his age. he's a kind of online ghost. he doesn't appear to have a facebook page, twitter account

or any obvious online foot print. holmes grew up in southern california and attended west view high school north of san diego. he played on the soccer team and graduated in 2006. sumit shah echoes what others say. >> he was pretty witty. he was mostly a nice guy. it's a weird shift to see him go from the guy i knew to somebody who killed 12 people and counting. >> reporter: the holmes family is not talking. anthony says he can't imagine that the james holmes he knew could have done something so horrific. >> i didn't think he would do that. i still don't believe he did it, but until i get the facts right and until the news is specific about everything, then i'll believe what is actually going on. >> reporter: by all accounts, holmes is clearly a bright young man.

in 2006, he attended college at university of california riverside, about an hour east of los angeles. chancellor timothy white says he was a top student when he graduated in 2010. >> he was an honor student in neuroscience, graduated. he had a merit based scholarship while he was here and then moved on to colorado for graduate work. >> reporter: most recently, holmes was a ph.d. student at the university of colorado medical school. a spokesman said he left the school in june. when he moved to his apartment in aurora, colorado, holmes filled out a rental application, where he described himself as a quiet, easy going medical student. but christopher rodriguez and caitlin fonzie who lived in the unit below him say it wasn't quiet last night. they say they heard loud music coming from his apartment. what kind of music was blairing? >> it was techno music with loud

bass, on a constant loop for an hour. >> reporter: rodriguez says the times of the music seemed precise. >> the music started exactly at midnight, and it continued on that continuous loop until 1:00 a.m. and stopped right at 1:00 a.m. >> reporter: on its own? >> on its own. i'm thinking maybe it was set up to a timed system to start at midnight and then stop it at 1:00 a.m., which corresponds exactly to the incident at the movie theater. >> reporter: bothered by the noise, fonzie went upstairs to holmes' apartment. >> i went upstairs and knocked on the door, kicked the door to see if i could get anybody to quiet down. i did jig it will doo-- jiggle door. it looked like it was unlocked. >> reporter: according to chief oates, the apartment police found today was rigged to explode. >> this apartment is apparently

booby trapped. we have bomb techs from all the different agencies. we could belie here for hours o days trying to get in there. the pictures are disturbing. it looks sophisticated. >> reporter: could this have been another jokeresque attempt to cause more carnage? about the same time the music was playing, holmes was at the theater. he had four guns, a smith and wesson ar-15 assault rifle, a pump remington shotgun, and two handguns, both .40 caliber glocks. the assault rifle was equipped with a 100 round magazine. the guns were purchased at two sco stores. holmes also had some sort of tear gas canister. >> tonight, chris, there are even more details about what investigators are doing inside that apartment.

>> ann, they've suspended the investigation at the apartment for tonight. tomorrow morning, they will use a high tech robot to go in there. this robot has water cannons and the ability to snip wires. this bomb, the authorities know a lot about. they know some of the materials used and precisely where holmes got them. there are bottles of liquid, powder, liwires, he even used rounds of ammunition in this bomb. and we learned that holmes bought 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the internet. >> you also spoke to people who have been able to get a look inside that apartment. what did they reveal? >> they say he was living a relatively sparse lifestyle. they saw a bicycle, not much furniture. of course, he may have had to move that out of the way for the bomb. but interestingly in these investigations, the authorities gained a lot of information from the suspect's computer, which

they haven't been able to look at yet, because of the bomb situation. >> right. the question now becomes what will the next legal steps be? one would presume in a case like this a psychiatric evaluation is expected. >> that would be natural in this case. so we know he's going to be in court monday. we know that he has a lawyer. and he will make that first appearance and lit be an arraignment. he'll make a plea, usually not guilty to start off. and then the wheels will start turns in terms of the court process, whether or not there's a psychiatric evaluation. >> and the police department is very busy trying to work on diffusing this bomb, we've seen police officers and cars keeping reporters back away from the scene. what can you tell us about how they're able to focus an investigation that seems to be causing them to look at so many -- >> they've got a lot of assets

here. it's a very professional police department led by a chief who was once a new york police officer and detective and ranking member of the department. so he knows what he's doing and his people know what they're doing. they have the atf out here, the fbi is working the case. so it will be interesting, i think, if they can get a laptop out of that house. >> because what they can find from that computer is everything, even if he erased it. >> answbsolutely. if there is a computer in there, which you have to believe a 24-year-old is going to have a laptop, that will tell the tale. >> when we come back, the dramatic stories of the survivors. how split second decisions made the difference between life and death. death. this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge.

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i'm milissa rehberger. hear's what's happening. police in colorado have just revealed new details about the suspect in the movie theater rampage that killed 12 people. james holmes was deliberate and calculating, gathering ammunition over the past four months. police also say that holmes set up booby traps in his apartment specifically to kill a police officer who might have opened his door. the major threats in his apartment have been removed by the bomb squad. now back to a special edition of "dateline."

some witnesses say the alleged gunman, james holmes, seemed to be specifically targeting those who were trying to escape. so in this case, was not running from danger the best way to survive? here's keith morrison. >> reporter: it's a rite of the american summer now, the midnight showing of the hottest blockbuster in town. so there was a happy anticipation, a rush for good seats. and a very big crowd. by the time that corbin dates arrived, only the two front rows were open. he and his friends picked row two. as the lights went down, he noticed the man in front of him because -- >> when he got a phone call, this person decided to go to the back door, the back emergency exit door, opened it and used his foot to prop it open. >> reporter: 20 minutes or so, there's a shooting scene and the man was back. >> dressed all in black.

i want to say a black helmet, black gas mask. he had -- i thought it was a toy rifle strapped around. >> reporter: must be a stunt of some sort he thought. >> reporter: >> he threw a canister into the audience and i realized it went off. it was an actual canister of toxic gases. >> reporter: that's when it dawned on him. from the tears and choking, he knew this was no stunt. and then the man started shooting. >> as soon as that can exploded, gunshots were going off, people were screaming. it didn't sound like a continuous firing. just a pop, pop, pop. >> reporter: screams, gunfire, chaos. the only silence from the gunman, who said nothing. >> didn't process in my mind to start screaming, running and bolting my way out of there. >> reporter: weird what happened from dates. just feet away, he felt less away than analytical. >> we're crawling and i can hear

the gunshots, people were screaming. there's a difference between a thrill scream and bloody murder scream. >> reporter: then he realized the gunman was firing from another direction. and then silence. as he and his friend rushed for the exit, he paused for a moment and turned around. >> as the gunshots were going off, some people were rolling under the seats and it was burning our skin. >> reporter: four rows from the back of the theater, tanner coon had a bird's-eye view. >> i thought the first shot was maybe a firecracker. i realized it was gunshots after three or four shots. >> reporter: he told his friends, get down. one was a 12-year-old. >> he was freaking out. he was distraught. >> reporter: it was when he crawled for the exit that he felt and saw what he can't get out of his head. >> i slipped in some blood and landed on a lady. i shook her and told her we needed to get out of here, come on, get up.

there was no response. she did not move or say anything. so i presumed she was dead. >> reporter: and this was truly strange. the horror of it was not confined. walls don't always stop bullets. batman walls playing in the next room over too, where members of a football team were so excited for that movie, they broke curfew for the midnight shoechlt and one of them avoided death by what, a millimeter? >> that's something that i try not to think about and just be gradeful i came out alive. >> reporter: 17-year-old zach golditch and friends were in their seats two hours early. >> it was 15, 20 minutes in. there was a scene where a gun was pulled and they were shooting and then some kid, you know, it was like oh, man, i got hit. i looked and didn't think much of it, because it's like some idiot just threw a firecracker. >> reporter: here's how zach discovered the bullets were

real. >> as i was turning around, it sounded like a firecracker just hit the back of my head. >> reporter: he put his hand to his ear and felt how wet it was. >> i felt liquid, which i knew it was blood. >> reporter: zach was one of 58 people wounded in the attack. his wounds, some of the collateral damage. when the shooting ripped through the wall in theater 8. zach's cousin posted photos of his war wounds on zach's home page. the entry would was just below his ear. had he not turned his head when he heard the first victim yell, he would be in a wheelchair perhaps, or dead. and as corbin date could plainly see, that there was far too much of that. >> i looked around and saw bodies on the upper part of the auditorium, leaning over the chairs, on the stairs. people that were laying right in front of me, and knowing that

there was not much i could do for them. >> when we come back, our emotional conversation with the young couple feeling very blessed tonight.

one young couple and their one young couple and their two little children are safe tonight thanks to a last-minute decision they made after they entered the theater. they decided to sit in the balcony instead of the first row. but jamie rohrs and patricia

legarreta will never forget the horror of the man with the guns and all the people he shot. jamie, how long did it take you to figure out what was happening? >> within -- probably within five seconds. you just -- the guy came in through the exit door to our right, threw the tear gas. almost hit someone not too far away from us, and you're like, oh, it's a prank. that took like two seconds. and he went back out the exit door and you heard a shot. you're like okay, it's a shot. then he opened up and you saw gunshots. you thought it was gunshots. you thought it was fireworks, you didn't know. but my instinct was just telling patricia, get down, get on the floor. >> i heard jamie yell "get down." and my daughter, she was asleep, she was laying down. i just grabbed her and just threw her. >> on the ground? >> on the ground.

>> i ducked with ethan and his -- when i ducked, his head like he will back, because the way i was holding it into the crack in the seats in front of us and got stuck and he was crying. i was like, his head is exposed, he's going to get shot and i can't stand up because people were standing up getting shot. so i jumped over and i like just maneuvered over somehow and grabbed him and i crawled towards the stairway. and i'm just thinking, should i play dead, are they coming up the stairs, how many are there? >> how was it that you and your children survived? >> i just remember -- i just knew that when i stood up to get my daughter and he shot that way, i right away knew you get up, he sees you, he's going to shoot.

>> so what did you do? >> there was a point where the gunshots stopped, and i saw people running and i thought, they're running, he's not shooting, just get up and go and i got up, i grabbed my daughter's hand and we just got out of there as soon as we could. >> you ran? >> yeah. i was trying to find jamie. i didn't have my phone. thankfully there were three people, two boys and a girl. i wish i would have gotten their name. the female leant me her cell phone to call jamie, helped many with my daughter. and i just am thankful for that, that there were people who were willing to help. >> is there anything you want to say to parents who are grieving the loss of their children in this tragedy? >> i don't even -- know what to say. they're in our prayers. i just -- i don't even know.

you don't know what to say. and that's what makes it so hard is because i'm so happy and we're so blessed that we got out. but i just feel so sad for those who didn't make it out and for their families and i just -- i'm praying and i just hope that somewhere, some good comes out of this, you know, that families, i pray they're all right. >> we just need to be there for each other. like be kind to each other. we rush through life, taking everything for granted. like money, clothes and so materialistic. >> and just getting so stressed out. >> keep your family as your number one priority. we rush and we forget to tell each other we love you. it's like, call your friends, call your family, kiss your son, kiss your daughter, hug them.

you never know when it's going to be the last time. like i just remember seeing his head look up at me, seeing his little eyes and just crying, just being so frustrated about what to do. i didn't want him to get hurt because he's a little boy. >> so when the tragedy of this day, you realized something that was very important, that you love each other enough, that this was the day you would ask patricia to marry you. >> yes, this is the one. and how she took so good care of our children and just got them out safe. i'm just so thankful for her. oh, my god. >> he asked you this question today? >> in the hospital. >> in the hospital? and what did you say? >> i said yes.

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there is another colorado community that knows only too well what aurora is going through tonight. it was a little more than 15 miles away in littleton where 12 students and 1 teacher died at columbine high school in 1999, and a survivor of that tragedy understands what the victims' loved ones are facing here. it's been more than 13 years since craig scott found himself frozen with fear on the library floor during the shooting rampage at columbine high school. craig survived, his sister rachel did not. >> i found out the next morning, it was confirmed that she was dead. >> the nation met craig, then a 16-year-old sophomore, two day after the massacre when he appeared on the "today" show. >> my sister was a real person. she really had a lot of am digs. and i love -- i loved her a lot. >> in the year following

rachel's murder, "dateline" spent time with craig and his family as they tried to cope with their immeasurable loss. >> i didn't get to say good-bye to her physically. in fact, i didn't even say anything when she dropped me off at school. >> in public craig displayed courage as he traveled across the country, sharing his story with thousands of students. but privately he was haunted by terrifying flashbacks especially after dark. using a hand held camera in the spring of 2000, craig chronicled a desperate attempt to escape his nightmares. >> i am up here on the top of my roof. got a knife for protection. >> the lowest point came soon after our cameras left. craig and his brother michael were watching a movie on tv, a violent scene triggered another flashback and craig snapped. >> the next thing i knew i'd picked up my brother, my little brother who i loved. i carried him to the kitchen. i slammed him against the

kitchen floor, i grabbed out a knife and i put it to his face and said do you want to know what it feels like to almost lose your life. >> it was a terrible moment but also a turning point in craig's life. he decided he had to let go of his anger. the first step was also the hardest, forgiving rachel's killers. >> forgiveness was like setting a prisoner free and finding out the prisoner was you. columbine was the worst day of my life but now looking back i can be almost thankful in a way for going through such a hard thing because it's made me who i am today. >> craig scott now joins us. thank you so much for being here, craig. what does it take for people to overcome, to recover, from a tragedy such as this one? >> well, i think that it definitely takes a lot of time, i mean, for me it took i think ten years to really get back to

a real healed place. i still miss my sister. and -- but i have friends that were there. richard who was with my sister who is in a wheelchair and paralyzed and still is going through a lot of healing and still has a lot of -- a long ways to go. so, it really is a long process. but i do think that there are things that can help in the healing process. i think that i was blessed enough to have family and faith to surround me. i think people stepping in from the community. i mean, i remember my mom having to look after me and deal with the loss of her daughter and people, neighbors, bringing meals. i think that remembering the loved ones and remembering the good things about rachel or the good things that he did, focusing on something positive, i think there are going to be people that are real angry and are going to want to do

something with that anger, and i hope they can channel it to something that's positive. i know for me, for years, i held on to such hatred towards the shooters. they had no right to do what they did, killed innocent people that did them no harm. and it started to really take a toll on me and affect the way that i treated people as i carried around that anger. and so part of my healing process was forgiving and letting go -- >> forgiving. >> it's -- it's -- i mean, it's -- i'm not -- i'm just talking about my healing process. and i think that it's not saying what someone did is okay. it's a letting go of so that you can be moved on. there's a quote that forgiveness is like setting a prisoner free and then finding out that prisoner is you. and i felt like i was that prisoner. that was part of my process, being able to -- for those that have faith, i grew deeper in that, and that was part of my healing process. but one of the biggest things

that helped me get through was just seeing something good come from losing my friends and losing my sister and going through. and i truly hope what's happened here at this theater, that there can be some amazing, immense good, positive things, a movement, something, that can come out of this. and i hope that the people that went through this can become unified, don't let this shooter steal anything from you, and so that's -- that would be my -- my input. >> craig, your lips to god's ears, thank you so much this evening. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> and before we go, we want to tell you that aurora's police chief held a news conference tonight where he revised the number of injured down to 58. the death toll still remains at 12. the number of people are still -- a number of people, rather, are still in critical conditions all around arrow ra, colorado, there were reports that james holmes died his hair red and